{"id":28993,"date":"2022-03-20T21:59:51","date_gmt":"2022-03-20T20:59:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/intervija-tevam-mario-pezzi\/"},"modified":"2022-09-08T09:01:44","modified_gmt":"2022-09-08T08:01:44","slug":"intervija-tevam-mario-pezzi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/intervija-tevam-mario-pezzi\/","title":{"rendered":"Intervija t\u0113vam Mario Pezzi"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h6 class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-heading\">Tv2000 interv\u0113ja t\u0113vu Mario Pezzi par vi\u0146a pieredzi k\u0101 prezbiters Neokatehumen\u0101l\u0101 Ce\u013ca iniciatoru ekip\u0101 kop\u0101 ar Kiko un Carmen (p\u0113c vi\u0146a n\u0101ves kop\u0101 ar Ascension).<\/h6>\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n<div align=\"center\"><figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\r\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Intervista    Padre Mario Pezzi\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/CYzHVeM5PVs?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\r\n<\/div><\/figure><\/div>\r\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/mega.nz\/folder\/AdUjgLZL#nfuU-O3oeF7BJyROB6Yl0A\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"128\" height=\"128\" src=\"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/video-download-icon-1.png\" alt=\"video-download-icon\" class=\"wp-image-26555\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n<h5 class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-heading\">Lejupiel\u0101d\u0113 interviju un subtitrus<\/h5>\n\n<div style=\"height:50px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n<p><strong>Intervija t\u0113vam Mario Pezzi <em>SOUL<\/em> programm\u0101 (TV2000, 2022. gada 20. mart\u0101)<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator is-style-wide\" \/>\n\n<p><strong>Mision\u0101rais kombonie\u0161u (kongreg\u0101cijas nosaukums) priesteris, t\u0113vs Mario Pezzi, vai don Mario, k\u0101 v\u0113laties?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>T\u0113vs, t\u0113vs, jo sird\u012b v\u0113l joproj\u0101m esmu kambonietis.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>J\u016bs esat Neokatehumen\u0101l\u0101 ce\u013ca starptautisk\u0101s ekipas prezbiters un esat kop\u0101 ar Kiko Arguello un Carmen Hernandez. Pat ja vi\u0146a saka, ka nav grib\u0113jusi neko s\u0101kt.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>N\u0113, es neesmu iniciators, iniciators ir Kiko un Carmen. Jau kop\u0161 1971. gada esmu aicin\u0101ts vi\u0146us pavad\u012bt k\u0101 prezbiters, jo prezbitera kl\u0101tb\u016btne ir svar\u012bga katr\u0101 ce\u013cojo\u0161\u0101 ekip\u0101.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Bet esat no pirmajiem.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>J\u0101, starp pirmajiem.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>\u0160odien galvenok\u0101rt p\u0113c Carmen Hernandez aizie\u0161anas m\u016b\u017e\u012bb\u0101, j\u016bs kop\u0101 ar Kiko un Maria Ascensi\u00f3n esat atbild\u012bgie par Ce\u013cu visapk\u0101rt pasaul\u0113. To ir tik daudz, vai ne? J\u0101, k\u0101 j\u016bs vi\u0146us saucat? B\u0113rni, br\u0101\u013ci?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Br\u0101\u013ci un ar\u012b b\u0113rni, bet ar\u012b mazb\u0113rni!<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><b>Ar\u012b mazmazb\u0113rni. J\u016bs esat dzimis Gotolengo, net\u0101lu no Brescijas (It\u0101lija). Nekad j\u016bs neb\u016btu iedom\u0101jies t\u0101 apce\u013cot pasauli.<\/b><\/p>\n\n<p><em>N\u0113, absol\u016bti<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong><em>Un k\u0101 tad j\u016bs esat k\u013cuvis par mision\u0101ru?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p>Mision\u0101rs, jo es saj\u016btu aicin\u0101jumu uz priester\u012bbu \u013coti agri, b\u0113rn\u012bb\u0101 un tad es satiku mision\u0101ru, kur\u0161 mekl\u0113ja aicin\u0101jumus, tad draudzes pr\u0101vests mani uzaicin\u0101ja tikties un p\u0113c m\u0113ne\u0161a p\u0101rbaudes, piezvan\u012bja lai redz\u0113tu kas bija iest\u0101jies. Vi\u0146i mani izv\u0113l\u0113j\u0101s iest\u0101\u0161anai semin\u0101r\u0101 un tad v\u0113l pie\u0146\u0113ma piektaj\u0101 klas\u0113.&#013;\n\u017durn\u0101lists: mazi\u0146\u0161!&#013;\n<strong>P. Mario<\/strong>: jo tad piekt\u0101 s klases beig\u0101s bija \u012bpa\u0161s eks\u0101mens, lai iek\u013c\u016btu vidusskol\u0101, un no turienes es s\u0101ku visu savu form\u0101ciju.<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>\u012apa\u0161s pagrieziens, it sevi\u0161\u0137i \u0100frikai. Un tad j\u016bs satik\u0101ties ar Ce\u013cu: k\u0101 tas notika? K\u0101 tad tas notika, pie tam jums ar\u012b j\u0101paskaidro, kas ir Neokatehumen\u0101lais Ce\u013c\u0161?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>K\u0101 tas notika? Nevis ma\u0123iski, bet Kungs mani sagatavoja daudzus gadus caur iek\u0161\u0113ju kr\u012bzi man\u0101 form\u0101cij\u0101, kas man ir bijis kop\u0161 novici\u0101ta laikiem, un it \u012bpa\u0161i Rom\u0101, kur priek\u0161nieki mani s\u016bt\u012bja apmekl\u0113t Urbaniana fakult\u0101ti.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Tas bija gads p\u0113c 1968. gada, tie\u0161i 69. un jau &#8220;68. era&#8221; bija iegajusi ar\u012b Pontifik\u0101laj\u0101s universit\u0101t\u0113s. Mana probl\u0113ma bija atrast cilv\u0113kiem tuv\u0101ku un saprotam\u0101ku priestera kalpo\u0161anas veidu, jo es paman\u012bju plaisu starp to, ko dar\u0101m Bazn\u012bc\u0101, to, ko m\u0113s dz\u012bvojam \u0101rpus\u0113, tas jau toreiz bija ac\u012bmredzams. Tad priesteru valoda vairs sasniedza tautu, sakramentiem nebija nek\u0101das ietekmes, lai main\u012btu dz\u012bvi &#8211; tie pa\u0161i par sevi ir efekt\u012bvi, bet, ja nav sagatavo\u0161an\u0101s, nav redzamu aug\u013cu. \u0160\u012b iemesla d\u0113\u013c Krist\u012bb\u0101s ieliek m\u016bsos mazu s\u0113kli\u0146u ar milz\u012bgu att\u012bst\u012bbas potenci\u0101lit\u0101ti, t\u0101pat k\u0101 jebkurai s\u0113klai, kad Dievs rada s\u0113klu, taj\u0101 ir viss att\u012bst\u012bbas potenci\u0101ls. Tikai daudzos no mums, k\u0101 J\u0101nis P\u0101vils II daudzk\u0101rt teica, \u0161\u012b s\u0113kla paliek mirusi. M\u0113s esam re\u0123istr\u0113ti k\u0101 kato\u013ci, bet neesam biju\u0161i form\u0113ti.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Vai jums ir bijusi \u0161\u012b form\u0101cija?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Es to sa\u0146\u0113mu v\u0113l\u0101k, Ce\u013c\u0101. Bet man bija form\u0101cija, pateicoties Dievam, es n\u0101ku no krist\u012bgas \u0123imenes, un kamboni\u0101nu mision\u0101ru form\u0101cija ar sv\u0113tiem mision\u0101riem bija \u013coti\u2026 Galvenok\u0101rt Komboni fig\u016bra man bija iz\u0161\u0137iro\u0161a.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Klausieties, t\u0113vs, pirmo reizi kad j\u016bs satik\u0101t Kiko un Carmen, \u0161o d\u012bvaino p\u0101ri, jo vi\u0146i nebija pat prec\u0113ju\u0161ies, bet tom\u0113r g\u0101ja kop\u0101 k\u0101 kristie\u0161i. K\u0101ds iespaids rad\u0101s jums? Kas tevi p\u0101rsteidza?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Es ar vi\u0146iem iepazinos k\u0101 ar diviem norm\u0101liem cilv\u0113kiem, proti, kas ir vienoti kop\u012bg\u0101 misij\u0101. Un mani galvenok\u0101rt p\u0101rsteidza tas, ko vi\u0146i teica, tas, ko vi\u0146i sludin\u0101ja. Tas ir t\u0101p\u0113c, ka tur es atradu atbildi, jo no teolo\u0123ijas s\u0101ku mekl\u0113t tautai tuv\u0101ku priestera fig\u016bru. Es devos uz Spello pie mazajiem br\u0101\u013ciem, lai vi\u0146us apciemotu, man bija attiec\u012bbas ar L\u0113venas priesteriem-str\u0101dniekiem, ne tik ekstr\u0113misti k\u0101 franc\u016b\u017ei. M\u0113s visi mekl\u0113j\u0101m, daudzi mani br\u0101\u013ci ir atst\u0101ju\u0161i priester\u012bbu.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Es mekl\u0113ju, mekl\u0113ju&#8230; Un viens no maniem gar\u012bgajiem vad\u012bt\u0101jiem man teica: nesper nevienu soli, kam\u0113r Dievs tev neatkl\u0101s savu gribu. Pagaidi! Un es gaid\u012bju 6 gadus. Es piekritu iesv\u0113t\u012b\u0161anai par priesteri &#8211; jo man nebija \u0161aubu par savu aicin\u0101jumu. Es tiku iesv\u0113t\u012bts mart\u0101 un j\u016blij\u0101 es satiku Kan\u0101das mocek\u013cu Neokatehumen\u0101l\u0101s kopienas, novembr\u012b es satiku Kiko.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><b>Kan\u0101das mocek\u013cu draudze atrodas Rom\u0101, kur Ce\u013c\u0161 It\u0101lij\u0101 ir s\u0101cies. Bet ja jums b\u016btu j\u0101past\u0101sta, kas ir Ce\u013c\u0161, cilv\u0113kam, kur\u0161 to nezina? Kas tad ir Ce\u013c\u0161?<\/b><\/p>\n\n<p><em>T\u0101 ir d\u0101vana, ko Kungs ir devis caur Kiko un Carmen \u0161odienas Bazn\u012bcai. Koncils tika sasaukts, k\u0101 teica J\u0101nis XXIII, lai dotu, lai atrastu valodu ar ko var\u0113tu nodot visu laiku paties\u012bbas, bet jaun\u0101 veid\u0101. Koncils sniedza atbildi, pirm\u0101m k\u0101rt\u0101m, no jauna atkl\u0101jot Dieva V\u0101rda v\u0113rt\u012bbu, ko nevar tikt saprasta bez Vec\u0101s Der\u012bbas. T\u0101 izveidoja \u0161o saikni, kas ir Neokatehumen\u0101l\u0101 Ce\u013ca pamat\u0101, atjaunoja litur\u0123iju un Kiko k\u0101 m\u0101kslinieks&#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>J\u0101, jo vi\u0146\u0161 bija gleznot\u0101js, iesp\u0113jams, vi\u0146\u0161 joproj\u0101m ir.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Vi\u0146\u0161 ir gleznot\u0101js, m\u016bzi\u0137is, arhitekts un v\u0113l daudz kas.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Carmen bija vair\u0101k teolo\u0123e, vai ne?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Carmen bija vair\u0101k p\u0113tniece, jo vi\u0146a bija \u0137\u012bmi\u0137e, vi\u0146a bija sp\u0113j\u012bga uz p\u0113tniec\u012bbu. Un vi\u0146a veica \u0161o p\u0113t\u012bjumus gr\u0101mat\u0101s un Sv\u0113tajos Rakstos un nodeva \u0161o gudr\u012bbu Kiko un piedzima&#8230;\u00a0 Es kop\u0101 ar vi\u0146iem apmekl\u0113ju da\u017eus etapus, kuros dzima krist\u012bg\u0101 inici\u0101cija- Neokatehumen\u0101lais Ce\u013c\u0161.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Cik ilgi ilgst \u0161is Ce\u013c\u0161? Vai ar\u012b tas ilgst visu m\u016b\u017eu?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>N\u0113, Neokatehumen\u0101lajam Ce\u013cam nav noteikts laiks, k\u0101 saka Ordo Initiationis Christianae Adultorum (Pieaugu\u0161o Krist\u012bgas Inici\u0101cijas Ritu\u0101le), tas ir jaun\u0101 k\u0101rt\u012bba pieaugu\u0161o katehumen\u0101tam, kur\u0101 laiks nav probl\u0113ma. T\u0101 k\u0101 Ce\u013c\u0161 ir&#8230; M\u0113s to identific\u0113jam ar Jaunavu Mariju. Jaunava Marija sa\u0146em zi\u0146u: &#8220;Tu b\u016bsi Dieva d\u0113la m\u0101te.&#8221; &#8220;K\u0101 tas ir iesp\u0113jams?&#8221; &#8220;Sv\u0113t\u0101 Gara \u0113na nolaid\u012bsies p\u0101r tevi, tas, kas piedzims, b\u016bs Visaugst\u0101k\u0101 D\u0113ls, kur\u0161 izgl\u0101bs cilv\u0113ci.&#8221; &#8220;L\u016bk, es esmu Kunga kalpone.&#8221; Un s\u0101kas gr\u016btniec\u012bbas process.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><em>E\u0146\u0123elis, m\u016bsu e\u0146\u0123e\u013ci, ce\u013cojo\u0161ie katehisti, kuri iet bez naudas un atdod dz\u012bv\u012bbu tam, lai sludin\u0101tu labo v\u0113sti, ka Dievs m\u016bs m\u012bl t\u0101dus, k\u0101di m\u0113s esam, ka Vi\u0146\u0161 neprasa, lai m\u0113s main\u012btos, lai m\u016bs m\u012bl\u0113tu. Tas aizkustina daudzu sirdis, \u012bpa\u0161i daudzu gr\u0113cinieku, jo mums vienm\u0113r ir bijis t\u0101ds modelis, ka Dievs m\u012bl labos un soda sliktos, t\u0101 nav taisn\u012bba, jo Dievs m\u016bs m\u012bl\u0113ja, kad bij\u0101m vi\u0146a ienaidnieki, kad m\u0113s vi\u0146u sit\u0101m krust\u0101. Vi\u0146\u0161 mums saka: &#8220;T\u0113vs piedod vi\u0146iem!&#8221; Un vi\u0146\u0161 pied\u0101v\u0101ja sevi aiz m\u012blest\u012bbas mums, lai gl\u0101btu m\u016bs no verdz\u012bbas n\u0101vei. Nav t\u0101, ka cilv\u0113ki ir slikti, bet vi\u0146i ir vergi, un J\u0113zus Kristus piedeva dodot mums savu garu, padarot mums par Dieva b\u0113rniem.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Vai tu zini, ko noz\u012bm\u0113 b\u016bt par Dieva b\u0113rnu? Tas noz\u012bm\u0113, ka Sv\u0113tais Gars m\u0101jo m\u016bsu sird\u012bs. Un sv\u0113tais P\u0101vils v\u0113stul\u0113 galatie\u0161iem saka: \u201cto, kas nav pazinu\u0161i J\u0113zu Kristu, miesas aug\u013ci ir skaud\u012bba un greizsird\u012bba, kari, apmelo\u0161ana utt. Un Sv\u0113t\u0101 Gara aug\u013ci, kas m\u0101jo m\u016bsos&#8230; \u2013 protams, mums ir nepiecie\u0161ama inici\u0101cija \u2013 bet m\u0113s esam pie t\u0101 pieradu\u0161i, ka lai k\u013c\u016btu par in\u017eenieri, ir vajadz\u012bgs atbilsto\u0161u gadu kurss; lai k\u013c\u016btu par \u0137irurgu l\u012bdz\u012bgi utt. Un k\u013c\u016bt par kristieti? M\u016bsdien\u0101s pasaule vairs nav krist\u012bga. T\u0101p\u0113c Ce\u013c\u0161 ir d\u0101vana \u0161ai sabiedr\u012bbai, un Ce\u013cam ir eksistenci\u0101ls v\u0101rds, kas sasniedz narkom\u0101nus, kam ir izjukusi laul\u012bba, padara lai b\u0113rni tiek pie\u0146emti bez probl\u0113m\u0101m, daudz\u0101m \u0123imen\u0113m liek pamest darbu un visu, lai b\u016btu par \u0161\u012bs Dieva m\u012blest\u012bbas lieciniekiem, kas vi\u0146us izgl\u0101ba. Liecina, ka pest\u012b\u0161ana\u00a0ir iesp\u0113jama visai pasaulei.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>\u0160\u012b ir misija, kas ir tie\u0161i rakstur\u012bga harizmai. Veids, k\u0101 atrast vietu Bazn\u012bc\u0101, j\u016bs kas esat eklezi\u0101la kust\u012bba. Izskaidrojiet to.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>T\u0101 nav kust\u012bba. P\u0113d\u0113j\u0101 audienc\u0113 ar p\u0101vestu Francisku, kur\u0161 apstiprin\u0101ja Kiko k\u0101 atbild\u012bgo par Ce\u013cu, kam\u0113r vi\u0146\u0161 ir dz\u012bvs, teica, ka m\u0113s joproj\u0101m atrodamies dibin\u0101\u0161anas posm\u0101, kas beigsies, kad Kiko nomirs. Un vi\u0146\u0161 mums teica: jo j\u016bs neesat kust\u012bba, k\u0101 teica p\u0101vests J\u0101nis P\u0101vils II, sac\u012bdams Kan\u0101das mocek\u013ciem: &#8220;&#8230; j\u016bsu ir kust\u012bba&#8230;&#8221;, un Carmen publiski piec\u0113l\u0101s un teica: t\u0101 nav kust\u012bba: tas ir ce\u013c\u0161, progres\u012bva un pak\u0101peniska inici\u0101cija uz krist\u012bgo dz\u012bvi. P\u0113c tam v\u0113l reiz p\u0101vests atk\u0101rtoja to pa\u0161u, un atkal Carmen piece\u013cas &#8211; jau apsargi gras\u012bj\u0101s vi\u0146ai tuvoties &#8211; un p\u0101vests vi\u0146ai saka: &#8220;Labi, t\u0101 nav kust\u012bba, bet Ce\u013c\u0161 atrodas kust\u012bb\u0101 &#8220;.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Protams! J\u0101nis P\u0101vils II jums grib\u0113ja vislab\u0101ko. Vi\u0146\u0161 j\u016bs \u013coti m\u012bl\u0113ja un atbalst\u012bja.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>\u013boti labi. Vi\u0146\u0161 n\u0101ca no nacisma un komunisma pieredzes. Tie\u0161i tas notiek \u0161odien, vi\u0146\u0161 ir to piedz\u012bvojis uz savas \u0101das un vi\u0146a liel\u0101k\u0101 v\u0113sts ir kristie\u0161iem bija: &#8220;Neb\u012bstieties!&#8221; &#8220;Atveriet durvis Kristum paz\u012bstiet J\u0113zu Kristu!&#8221; K\u0101 tas ir iesp\u0113jams, ka Dievs gadsimtiem ilgi ir run\u0101jis ar cilv\u0113kiem caur pravie\u0161iem un galu gal\u0101 caur savu D\u0113lu, un m\u0113s pat nezin\u0101m, ko vi\u0146\u0161 ir teicis. Mums nav biju form\u0101cija uz krist\u012bgo dz\u012bvi.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>B\u0113rni pat nezina, k\u0101 dar\u012bt krusta z\u012bmi.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Un pat nezina, kas ir tas uz krusta. Ja, j\u0101.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>K\u0101 ir iesp\u0113jams run\u0101t, t\u0113vs, \u012bpa\u0161i ar jaunie\u0161iem, kuri ir tik apmulsu\u0161i un ar\u012b izklaid\u012bgi, kuriem Dievs ir izv\u0113le, nevis kl\u0101tb\u016btne, k\u0101 m\u0113s to varam dar\u012bt?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>T\u0101 ir lieliska d\u0101vana, ko Kungs ir devis Ce\u013cam, uzliekot uzsvaru uz \u0123imeni. Vi\u0146i negrib\u0113ja veidot jaunie\u0161u grupas, n\u0113, bet \u0123imeni. Jo l\u012bdz ar \u0123imeni n\u0101k ar\u012b b\u0113rnu audzin\u0101\u0161ana un tic\u012bbas t\u0101l\u0101knodo\u0161ana b\u0113rniem. T\u0101p\u0113c m\u016bsu \u0123imen\u0113s mums ir daudz pal\u012bdz\u012bbas.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Piem\u0113ram, p\u0113c atbilsto\u0161a laika tiek ievesta m\u0101jas svin\u0113\u0161ana sv\u0113tdienas r\u012bt\u0101. Tiek svin\u0113ts pie galda izrot\u0101ta ar skaistu galdautu, ar ziediem, ar svec\u0113m, krucifiksu, B\u012bbeli, l\u016bdzoties r\u012bta l\u016bg\u0161anu no brevi\u0101ra, b\u0113rni sp\u0113l\u0113 tambur\u012bnus, piedal\u0101s ar\u012b vecvec\u0101ki. P\u0113c psalmiem t\u0113vs lasa dienas eva\u0146\u0123\u0113liju. Tad vi\u0146\u0161 jaut\u0101 saviem b\u0113rniem: ko tas jums saka? Ar \u0161o dialogu, kas ir \u013coti svar\u012bgs, vi\u0146i nodod tic\u012bbu. Kad vi\u0146i ir pietiekami nobriedu\u0161i, lai atbilsto\u0161i uzv\u0113d\u012btos Euharistij\u0101, vi\u0146i kop\u0101 ar vec\u0101kiem dodas uz svin\u012bb\u0101m. 13 gadu vecum\u0101, pubert\u0101tes vecum\u0101, vi\u0146i tiek aicin\u0101ti ien\u0101kt un b\u016bt par locekli jaun\u0101 kopien\u0101.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Tas ir form\u0101cijas ce\u013c\u0161, kas atg\u0101dina ebrejus. Pareizi?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Protams. Ebrejiem bija sava veida katehumen\u0101ts, \u013coti nopietna inici\u0101cija. Pirms prozel\u012bta uz\u0146em\u0161anas vi\u0146i vi\u0146am jaut\u0101ja: &#8220;Vai j\u016bs zin\u0101t, ka, ien\u0101kot m\u016bsu taut\u0101, j\u016bs varat tikt nogalin\u0101ti t\u0101pat k\u0101 daudzi no mums&#8230;?&#8221; Ja vi\u0146\u0161 atbild\u0113ja: j\u0101, es zinu, jo vi\u0146u piesaist\u012bja vi\u0146u dz\u012bvesveids, &#8211; ja vi\u0146\u0161 teica j\u0101, vi\u0146i to atzina, cit\u0101di nav nekas dar\u0101ms.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Vai j\u016bs gribat teikt, ka b\u016bt par kristieti nav tik vienk\u0101r\u0161i? Ko tas tev var maks\u0101t? Cie\u0161anas, atstumt\u012bbu un n\u0101vi?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>J\u0101, nav t\u0101, ka tas nav viegli. Tas ir \u013coti viegli. Jo pirmais periods, ko m\u0113s saucam par prekatehumen\u0101tu, m\u0113s no cilv\u0113kiem neko nepras\u0101m, ir cilv\u0113ki ar m\u012b\u013c\u0101ko, ir narkom\u0101ni, ir cilv\u0113ki&#8230; Nekas netiek pras\u012bts, jo Ce\u013c\u0161 ir svin\u012bgs, tas nav &#8220;mentaliz\u0101cija&#8221;. M\u016bsu pamats ir uz Dieva V\u0101rda svin\u0113\u0161anu katru ned\u0113\u013cu, ko ned\u0113\u013cas gait\u0101 sagatavo neliela kopienas grupa un tad, kad tie tiek svin\u0113ts un pasludin\u0101ts Dieva V\u0101rds maz\u0101 kopien\u0101. Sv\u0113t\u0101 Gara kl\u0101tb\u016btne aizkustina cilv\u0113ku br\u0101\u013cu sirdis.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Tas noz\u012bm\u0113, ka misija nav prozel\u012btiska.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>P\u0101vests Francisks mums ir vair\u0101kk\u0101rt pateicies, \u012bpa\u0161i par misij\u0101s dz\u012bvojo\u0161\u0101m \u0123imen\u0113m, kas tur dz\u012bvo&#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Cik t\u0101s ir, t\u0113vs?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Es nezinu, t\u016bksto\u0161iem vai vair\u0101k. Vi\u0146i ir sastopami \u0136\u012bn\u0101, Laos\u0101, Zieme\u013ceirop\u0101, Lat\u012b\u0146amerik\u0101 &#8230; Tikai ar savu kl\u0101tb\u016btni, dz\u012bvesveidu vi\u0146i piesaista cilv\u0113kus. Kad \u0123imene ar 6, 7, 10 vai 11 b\u0113rniem dodas uz tirgu, visi vi\u0146us apbr\u012bno k\u0101 ar nostal\u0123iju, k\u0101 v\u0113loties to. Mums tika pras\u012bta t\u0101ds kl\u0101tb\u016btnes veids, un mums ir \u0123imenes, kuras ir misij\u0101 kop\u0161 85.-86. gada. Pirm\u0101s \u0123imenes aizbrauca uz Zieme\u013ceiropu un uz Limas nabadz\u012bgiem rajoniem, \u0161\u012bs \u0123imenes atst\u0101ja darbu, visu, lai tur iemiesotos. Mums ir divu veidu harizmas: ce\u013cojo\u0161ie cilv\u0113ki, kas &#8220;lido&#8221;, jo pavada visu ce\u013cu l\u012bdz galam, izlemj, kad pien\u0101cis laiks veikt etapu, ja ir brieduma z\u012bmes; citas ir \u0123imenes, kas atrodas misij\u0101, un &#8220;missio ad gentes&#8221;, kas dz\u012bvo un atrodas konkr\u0113t\u0101\u00a0viet\u0101.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Jums ir ar\u012b daudz priesteru?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>\u0160\u012b iemesla d\u0113\u013c, Kiko un Carmen kop\u0101 ar p\u0101vestu J\u0101ni P\u0101vilu II, v\u0113l\u0113j\u0101s nodibin\u0101t semin\u0101ru, lai sagatavotu priesterus, kas kalpotu \u0161\u012bm \u0123imen\u0113m eva\u0146\u0123eliz\u0101cij\u0101.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><b>Vai ar\u012b Neokatehumen\u0101laj\u0101 Ce\u013c\u0101, t\u0101pat k\u0101 citur m\u016bsdienu Bazn\u012bc\u0101 ir kr\u012bze, cilv\u0113ku, kuri pievienojas kl\u0101t tr\u016bkums, vai izbr\u012bnas un pievilc\u012bbas tr\u016bkums? Vai Gara d\u0101vana, ko J\u0101nis P\u0101vils II atzina \u0161aj\u0101s jaunaj\u0101s kust\u012bbu form\u0101s&#8230; izdz\u0113st?<\/b><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Dieva valst\u012bba ir nosl\u0113pums! Kungs darbojas daudz vair\u0101k, nek\u0101 m\u0113s to sp\u0113jam redz\u0113t, ar\u012b t\u0101p\u0113c, ka Dieva Valst\u012bba nereklam\u0113jas. Vis\u0101 pasaul\u0113 ir sv\u0113ti v\u012bri Dieva priek\u0161\u0101, taisni, labas gribas v\u012bri, kas nav devusi nek\u0101du zi\u0146u par sevi. Medijos ir tie cilv\u0113ki par kuriem rada zi\u0146as, t\u0101di kas p\u0101rsp\u012bl\u0113 lietas, tagad ar metaversu rada hipervirtu\u0101lo realit\u0101ti, kas ved m\u016bsu jaunie\u0161us t\u0113r\u0113t laiku.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p>M\u0113s esam redz\u0113ju\u0161i sav\u0101s kopien\u0101s&#8230; Patie\u0161\u0101m pirmaj\u0101 Covid vil\u0146\u0101, kas s\u0101k\u0101s \u0136\u012bn\u0101, kur bija m\u016bsu \u0123imenes, m\u0113s sa\u0146\u0113m\u0101m no vi\u0146iem spont\u0101nas v\u0113stules, kur\u0101s bija rakst\u012bts: \u0161is ir \u012bpa\u0161s periods, ko Kungs mums dod, lai m\u0113s b\u016btu cie\u0161\u0101k\u0101s attiec\u012bbas ar vi\u0146u, lai neapmald\u012btos darbos. Vi\u0146i to uztv\u0113ra k\u0101 \u017e\u0113last\u012bbas laiku. Tad tas non\u0101ca ar\u012b pie mums. Un mums bija ar\u012b gads, kur\u0101 nevar\u0113j\u0101m tikties Dieva V\u0101rda\u00a0 svin\u012bb\u0101s kl\u0101tien\u0113, m\u0113s to dar\u012bj\u0101m, izmantojot &#8220;Zoom&#8221;. \u0160aj\u0101 2020. gad\u0101 esam no jauna atkl\u0101ju\u0161i m\u0101jas litur\u0123iju, proti, \u0123imenes svin\u0113ja &#8211; t\u0101 k\u0101 var\u0113ja &#8211; Lieldienu vig\u012bliju, kur\u0101 form\u0113jam b\u0113rnus, m\u0101cot vi\u0146iem dziesmas, un Vasarsv\u0113tku vig\u012bliju, kas bija br\u012bni\u0161\u0137\u012bgas. M\u016bsu br\u0101\u013cu tic\u012bba, pat ja t\u0101 tiek p\u0101rbaud\u012bta, iztur un vairojas!<\/p>\n\n<p><em>Jo mums ir kateh\u0113ze par krusta, kas ir god\u0101jamais. J\u0113zus Kristus vi\u0146u padar\u012bja par god\u0101jamo, cildenu. Caur krustu Kungs no\u0123\u0113rbj no mums veco cilv\u0113ku un visu. Pat netic\u012bgie, pien\u0101k laiks kad atrodas bezsp\u0113c\u012bgi gult\u0101 un daudzi, pat ja vi\u0146i bija par komunistiem vai ateistiem, l\u016bdz samierin\u0101ties ar Kungu. Tad ar\u012b priek\u0161 jaunie\u0161iem mums ir daudz iniciat\u012bvu. Bez r\u012bta l\u016bg\u0161an\u0101m mums ir ar\u012b Sv\u0113to Rakstu skrut\u0101cija (scrutatio): m\u0113s katru m\u0113nesi aicin\u0101m jaunie\u0161us r\u016bp\u012bgi skrut\u0113t (pet\u012bt) Rakstus draudz\u0113. Tad mums ir vasaras nometnes, sv\u0113tce\u013cojumi, m\u0113s cen\u0161amies vi\u0146iem pal\u012bdz\u0113t, jo vi\u0146iem ir j\u0101izc\u012bna milz\u012bga c\u012b\u0146a pret mediju, skolu, dzimumu u.c.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Vissvar\u012bg\u0101kais ir tas, ka vi\u0146a v\u0101rdi ir pravietiski. Liels paldies. Es pateicos jums. Vai jums ir k\u0101da dziesma, no Ce\u013ca, kas ir \u012bpa\u0161i m\u012b\u013ca un ko m\u0113s var\u0113tu noklaus\u012bties.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><em>J\u0101, \u201cMarija, maz\u0101 Marija\u201d un \u201cSalve Regina\u201d. Ceru, ka jums b\u016bs, jo man nav.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Dziesma: \u201cMarija, maz\u0101 Marija\u201d, \u201cSalve Regina\u201d.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tv2000 interv\u0113ja t\u0113vu Mario Pezzi par vi\u0146a pieredzi k\u0101 prezbiters Neokatehumen\u0101l\u0101 Ce\u013ca iniciatoru ekip\u0101 kop\u0101 ar Kiko un Carmen (p\u0113c vi\u0146a n\u0101ves kop\u0101 ar Ascension). Lejupiel\u0101d\u0113 interviju un subtitrus Intervija t\u0113vam Mario Pezzi SOUL programm\u0101 (TV2000, 2022. gada 20. mart\u0101) Mision\u0101rais kombonie\u0161u (kongreg\u0101cijas nosaukums) priesteris, t\u0113vs Mario Pezzi, vai don Mario, k\u0101 v\u0113laties? T\u0113vs, t\u0113vs, jo sird\u012b v\u0113l joproj\u0101m esmu kambonietis. J\u016bs esat Neokatehumen\u0101l\u0101 ce\u013ca starptautisk\u0101s ekipas prezbiters un esat<\/p>\n<div class=\"read-more\"><a class=\"btn read-more-btn\" href=\"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/intervija-tevam-mario-pezzi\/\">Las\u012bt vair\u0101k<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1140],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28993","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-komunikacijas"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28993","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28993"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28993\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28995,"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28993\/revisions\/28995"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28993"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28993"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/neocatechumenaleiter.org\/lv\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28993"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}